canadafred wrote:

[me and my SEO]
> She has come to us wanting to know how to achieve more keyphrase
> dynamicability.

Pardon?

Let me state what I think I was doing here:

John said I should be listed on your site as a SEO expert. I said I
shouldn't since I'm not. I think I've written several messages, all
stating the same thing, being that I do SEO for as much as it is
naturally the result of writing good pages for visitors. Even debated
the difference between a by-product and a coincidence.
The conversation then went on with TJ suggesting we should all submit
a page to talk about different SEO techniques, to which I submitted my
page.

I did not come here for advice, I got involved in an experiment. Two
different things afaik. The reason I'm reading this ng at all, is to
become aware of ideas I may not have considered before. Like for
example the suggestion to use alt text on the image where I have
alt="" now.

> The web site needs to become dynamic, evolving too from
> being more search engine friendly during this initial period of time to
> being more visitor friendly during another period of time.

No, it has to be visitor friendly from the start, and remain visitor
friendly always. I prefer a couple of good links from people who think
I wrote a good tutorial, than a higher SERP in Google while people
have trouble seeing through the SEO on my page.

BTW - I'm not doing badly in the SERPS - why would I jeopardize that
by trying to get even higher? I mean - even 'border image ie' gives me
no. 9 out of 30,300,000 in Google.nl, and a 17th place out of
24,400,000 in Google.com. If I swap it around to 'image border ie',
it's no. 3. No keyword stuffing, no disguised headers, not even an alt
text, and using too long titles.

> Ultimately,
> a balance needs to be met whereas both are very satisfied with the
> content of the web pages. This balance we hope Els can discover soon.

That balance is already there, unless "both" means you and T.J ;-)
As said before, there's a couple of things I will change in that page
as a result of the comments I got here, but it's nowhere in the
direction of spammy or black hat.

> If today Els decides to empower her web site with acceptable techniques
> that the search engines request us SEO to use properly, then only they
> can truly determine if its ethical nature.

Who's 'they' in that sentence? Sorry, the grammar of it didn't parse
with me very well. Assuming it is me, then sure, only I can determine
what I find ethical to write on my site.

> To our eyes it may appear spammy or it may not appear to be spammy.
> That really doesn't matter now does it?

It certainly does, to me at least.

> It all boils down to how the
> SEO techniques are applied and how the search engines respond to them.
> Els will need to find her own balance, in time.

True. For as far as I hadn't found it already.

> I say get innovative and push it Els. Live on the edge until you haver
> established the web site's credibility, then adjust over time by
> carefully observing the search engines' ( not just Google )responses.

No, I will stay well clear of the edge. I will take some of the
pointers into consideration though, as I obviously didn't explore all
the options yet, even away from the edge.

> This is a discussion about SEO and it's relationship with design
> standards and the response of Els' SEO from the search engines. SEO
> stands for search engine optimization which originally meant
> optimization of code for the search engines.
>
> Els, do you want to design, optimize or both?

I want to design accessible web sites, and optimize them for as much
as looks, feels, sounds natural to myself and my visitors. I stated
from the beginning: I'm not a SEO expert, nor do I advertise myself as
such.

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